
Full disclosure: this interview has been edited for clarification.
Hello Everybody!
We got something special for you all on Book Reviews by a Chick Who Reads Everything today. We have a guest, who is a New Times Bestselling author of many titles, including his latest Something I Keep Upstairs. Please welcome, J.D. Barker! Hi J.D., how are you doing today?
J.D.: Hey Emily, how are you doing? Doing great.
Emily: I’m doing fantastic. Well, I’m glad to have you on today because I’ve got a whole load of questions for you, which I’m sure we’ll have a fun time talking about.
J.D.: Well, I’m fully caffeinated and ready to go.
Emily: Alright, so, what was the catalyst for writing Something I Keep Upstairs?
J.D.: Ooo, well, it’s funny ‘cause it takes me typically three months to write a book. This one took me about four years from start to finish, and mainly because a lot of it is based on a true story. I live on a little island off the coast of Portsmouth in New England called New Castle, and I go for a run every day, and at one point, I’m standing on the beach, and if I look out over the water about a quarter mile out, there’s this tiny, little island called Wood Island with one house on it. It’s only about an acre. It got the “what if” gene going in my author brain. At some point, I just decided that’s the house I wanted to include in my haunted house story.
Emily: That is awesome. One of the many things that people often note about in their reviews is your very extensive Author’s Note, which, as you have just mentioned, New Castle and Wood Island being real places. And, I was really fascinated to get into your mindset of doing all of this research and how those places inspired this book. But, I have to ask you since you mentioned that New Castle and Wood Island are real places, how have its residents reacted to the book if any?
J.D.: At this point, I haven’t heard anything negative, but I think that means they’re not talking to me. New Castle is a quiet little place. It’s a very small community. We got about 600 houses on the island, and I think about 900 people actually live here. I have no idea what this book actually means with regard to that. People have found me since I moved here, there’s a bike tour that comes through, and they stop in front of my house and point. People know that I live here. You mentioned my Author’s Note. The Author’s Note was all about the naming of the town like do I keep it, do I change it? Because typically, for something like this, you do change it. You know, you come up with something fictitious and kind of go on unless you’re using a big city like New York or Pennsylvania, err Philly, or someplace like that. But when I started going through this book, I had so many historical references that I used that it just wouldn’t make sense if I would have to change them all, which doesn’t make sense from a book’s standpoint. By leaving them, it doesn’t take much detective work to figure out where I’m really talking about. So in the end, I just decided to go ahead and leave it as is.
Emily: Ah, I see. The way you describe them does make me want to go to those places. I mean, I don’t know if I want to spend a night at the house on Wood Island because it’s a little spooky there. But then again, I understand that there was recently a giveaway or a prize for anybody, if you did something, you could spend a night at that house.
J.D.: Yes, so, whenever I have a book done, we always look at what people are doing to market their titles, so what is everybody else doing? And, I try to come up with something a little outside the box to basically get people talking. So, what we landed on is we’re giving away an overnight stay in the actual haunted house. So one month after publication, June 13th, we’re going to draw the name of one person. They’re going to pick three of their friends. We’re going to load them up on a boat, take them out to this private island, drop them off, and they’re going to spend 24 hours in a haunted house all by themselves.
Emily: Well, I hope they have a great time there.
J.D.: Me too, ‘cause I will not do it.
Emily: Yeah, I’m not sure if I would do it. It sounds cool, but I think I’m good with staying in the house I live in now.
J.D.: Well, we just did the book release party on the island in the house. It was a mix of people. We had friends and family and had lots of reporters there. We also had paranormal investigators there, so as we are having this party for the book release, they were running around the house with their various recorders, trying to pick up whatever they could. I’m really curious to see what they actually found. We’ve had activity reported out there for years. When I was researching this book, that’s one of the reasons why it took so long to write. I found stuff going back almost 400 years, things that have occurred out at this house, so there is a lot of history there.
Emily: Wow! That is amazing! I’d be curious to find those results too because for my regular job, I’m an archivist in Romeo, Michigan, and I do a lot of historic home research. I’ve had owners come up to me and be like, “Hey, can you research this house? We suspect there’s some paranormal activity in there. So, we want to learn more about the people who lived there.”
I find that to be fascinating. And I’m so glad that you have this book, and you really dive deep into the history of the house in that regard.
J.D.: Yeah, we found a lot of stuff, so even before the house was built, that island was used as a quarantine zone during Yellow Fever when that was going on. During the Spanish-American War, they used to dock ships out there, so they would capture a Spanish vessel, they would dock it out on Wood Island, and they would force everybody to stay on the boat until they either died from starvation or disease, and then, they would take the boat ‘cause that’s ultimately what they wanted. But I found so many records of people dying around that island. When I speak to the paranormal investigators, a lot of what they tell me seems to come down is energy. If something dies, that energy has to go somewhere, it doesn’t just disappear. So when a lot of people die in the same place, it’s almost like the place becomes a battery, you know, where all that energy gets stored. So, I think that would kind of lead to some of things we’ve seen in more recent times in some of the activity that’s taken place out there lately.
Emily: Wow! That’s amazing to hear all that. You have been open about your experiences with autism, which I greatly appreciate as someone who is also on the spectrum. How has that influenced your writing?
J.D.: I think it has actually helped me. I’m not quite so I would be able to do what I do today without it. When I first started off in this world, I was working as a book doctor and a ghost writer. I wrote a lot of memoirs for some very famous people, so I would have to sit down with, let’s say, a female politician, and I would interview her. I would take those interviews and transcribe them, and I would have to turn them into a novel written basically in a first-person narrative, so in her voice. I was able to do that, and this was before I was diagnosed with, what I learned later is as an autistic person, I tended to mimic other people. So, if I’m in a social situation, and someone cracks a joke, I’ll laugh because other people are laughing, not necessarily because I find it funny. I’m basically mimicking what I see other people do. What I’ve learned is that I’m able to mimic people on paper too. So, if you give me somebody, like in this case, recorded transcripts, I can use that. If I have written stuff in front of me, I can pick up on their writing style, their vocabulary, their cadence, basically continue writing a piece of text in their own voice, so I’m able to mimic them on paper as well as mimic them in real life.
Emily: Wow! That is really amazing. We got to love the superpower of mimicking other people, whether it’s intentional or not.
J.D.: Yeah.
Emily: In your books, you include a mix of genres, especially mystery, suspense, and horror. How do you maintain that balance and choose which ones to emphasize?
J.D.: For me, it really comes down to I like to have one common thread, and I’d like to think of that as suspense, so every one of my novels is a suspense novel, and it might include elements of horror or sci-fi or romance or western or whatever, but that’s usually a smaller piece of the overall puzzle. And, I find that as long as the suspense is there, my readers will come along for the ride, so the novels are similar enough where they’ll bounce from one to the next to the next even though I’m introducing some of these other elements.
Emily: Absolutely! I can definitely tell that from Something I Keep Upstairs. I was trying to figure out what’s going to happen, especially in the house, how Billy is going to deal with all of this. I remember just reading this and trying to figure out, “What is going on here? What is going to happen?”
So, you did a fantastic job with that, J.D..
J.D.: Thank you. In that case, it was primarily a thriller, and I lean heavily on horror. We actually dubbed it a chiller, which is a term that I stole from Peter Straub.
Emily: Yes, I think I remember reading about that at some point. That makes sense, so at least, I will label it as a chiller when I post my review and this interview up on my book review website. Speaking of Billy, if you were placed in the same situation as him, what would you do?
J.D.: Ooo, I don’t know. The story revolves around a 17-year-old kid named Spivey – Billy’s best friend, so his grandmother passes away. He had no relationship with her, but she leaves him this house on a private island, so he does exactly what you expect any other 17-year-old boy to do: he and his friends turn it into a party house. That’s probably honestly what I would end up doing with it too. You would create this place away from your parents, away from the authority figures, and just kind of have some fun, especially since it’s basically their final year, you know, of high school together, before they all take off for college. But at one point, partying out at this house gets old, and somebody raises their hand and says, “Hey, what would it take to take this house and turn it into a haunted house?”
You know they start exactly where you expect, there’s a couple of scary stories, somebody brings in a ouija board, but the tagline for the book is “For a haunted house to be born, somebody has to die.”
So, you know where they’re going, so the book is basically all about that journey.
Emily: Ah, yes! What a journey it is! It was such a rollercoaster of a ride reading it. One of the aspects you include is the musical Brigadoon. Now, I was in a production of that show when I was a teenager. What made you include that in the novel?
J.D.: You know, I had to explain, I don’t want to give any spoilers here, but the house basically bounces around a little bit in time, and certain things happen at certain times. The only other thing I could think of where that sort of thing happened was Brigadoon. I wanted to somehow tip people off as to what was happening without really telling them what was happening, so anybody familiar with Brigadoon might understand the reference. Other people might research it, but eventually, it all comes together.
Emily: Absolutely! I don’t think people really talk about Brigadoon these days, especially in the context of Golden Age musicals. Usually, it’s like Oklahoma or Carousel. I mean, Brigadoon is still in there, but the only main reference I’ve seen of Brigadoon as of late is the television show Schmigadoon that’s on AppleTV+. Have you seen it?
J.D.: No, I haven’t. It’s one of those…I was just on Broadway with my daughter, took her to see The Lion King. Brigadoon is not there anymore. That’s probably where it would have been at some point, but I think in today’s world, it has been relegated to high school plays and things like that, which is kind of sad ‘cause it’s a really cool story. I kind of feel it’s being forgotten.
Emily: Yeah, it is, and I would be forgetting about it if it weren’t for the fact that I was in a summer theatre production of Brigadoon when I was a teenager. But, I am glad that you are, at least, bringing it to the reader’s attention. Maybe they would seek out the musical as well as the 1954 film starring Gene Kelly and Cyd Charisse.
J.D.: And maybe, we’ll see it back on Broadway someday, who knows.
Emily: Well, we’ll see. That would be interesting to see how they do it. I know it was 2017 or 2018 or 2019 when the Kennedy Center had a production of Brigadoon. It had Patrick Wilson in it and Stephanie J. Block. It was really good.
J.D.: That’s cool. Yeah, I’d love to see it come back. I love making references like that because it kind of reminds people of stuff, same reasons you just brought it up. You have all of these fond memories of it. You probably forgot about it for years, and all of a sudden, it’s back in the forefront.
Emily: Absolutely! I also want to talk about your collaborations with James Patterson. You have collaborated with him on a number of novels. How were those experiences, and are they any titles in the works?
J.D.: Originally, it was supposed to be one project. We were going to do one book together, and that was it. We actually have five out now. The latest one was called The Writer. It just released in March, debuted at number 2 on the New York Times list. We just have a lot of fun working together. We just started another one about a month ago, so we’re going to keep this going. For a while there, I was kind of his go-to guy when he came up with an idea for something scary, so we did a few of the probably only horror-related novels that Patterson has out there. The Writer is just a straight up thriller, and this one that we’re doing again, it’s just something different.
Emily: How did you actually get in contact with James Patterson to begin with?
J.D.: When my second book was coming out, it was called The Fourth Monkey, it was with HMH, which is part of HarperCollins now. One of the things the big publishers do is they send out copies of these books to all of the big-name authors a couple of months before they come out, hoping they read it and give you that one little quote that you can use on the cover or marketing or whatever. So, a copy of The Fourth Monkey landed on James Patterson’s desk, and he liked it enough, for he picked up the phone and called me and told me basically gave me his review of the book over the phone. And then, we decided to meet for lunch, and things went from there.
Emily: That’s wonderful! I can’t wait to read the next books that you have with James Patterson and even pick up previous ones like The Writer. They sound amazing.
J.D.: The Writer was a lot of fun.
Emily: Awesome! You just mentioned The Fourth Monkey. Some of your books like The Fourth Monkey and Dracul are getting turned into movies or television shows. Are there any updates regarding those adaptations?
J.D.: No, I’ve got eight different projects in what I call various stages of Hollywood hell. So, like this one’s got a director, this one’s got a writer, or this one’s got a star, and all of a sudden, you lose the star, and then, the writer goes away. It’s this constant rollercoaster ride. Anytime, my film agent calls me, it’s either really good news, or really bad news. The good news from my standpoint is that they keep getting optioned over and over again, but at this point, nothing has been filmed. It’s going to happen. It’s a number’s game. Somebody once told me that if you watch the credits at the end of a movie, you know, six minutes of names going by, every single person listed there had to be there in order for that movie to make it to the screen, so if you take one away, and all of a sudden, it comes apart. That’s kind of what I’m seeing. Every one of these productions is a perfect storm like everything has to come together at the exact right moment, or it doesn’t happen, or it gets paused. But like I said, I think sooner or later, we’re going to see one of them on the screen.
Emily: Well, I hope so too ‘cause I’m a massive fan of seeing how adaptations work. In fact, I actually run a podcast called the “Adapt Me Podcast,” where a guest and I talk about books that have never been adapted and how we would go about it. Who would you cast as the main characters from Something I Keep Upstairs in a possible adaptation?
J.D.: Ooo, that’s really tough ‘cause honestly, I’m not sure who is the latest and greatest out there when it comes to people in that particular age group. One of the things I’ve noticed is I literally had zero control over that, and I’m finding that even the people who are making these things like the directors and producers, they have very little control over it. What it really comes down to is scheduling. We’re going to shoot from this date to this date, and who’s available during those dates? So, I tend to keep my mouth shut because whenever I throw a name out there, it either comes back and bites me, or I don’t want to risk getting it in the press, saying “J.D. Barker wants so and so to be in a particular movie.”
I just stopped speculating on that sort of thing.
Emily: Ah, I see. I’d imagine if you got a name out here right now, and everybody would be like, “Oo, J.D. Barker is on this small-time book review website saying that he wants so and so to be in an adaptation of Something I Keep Upstairs. Ooo!”
J.D.: Well, it’s not only that. I know what names they are talking to, and I’ve got other people that I would like to see in it, and all of those things kind of get a little mixed up. I just don’t want to throw the wrong name out there.
Emily: That’s fair. What are some other projects that you are working on now?
J.D.: Like I said, I just started the latest one with James Patterson. My next one that’s going to be coming out, do you remember a film from the 90s called Flatliners?
Emily: That does ring a bell.
J.D.: Yeah, so it came out in 1990. It had this crazy cast. It had Keifer Sutherland, Julia Roberts, Billy Baldwin, and Oliver Platt, all at the start of their career before they became these household names that they are today. It’s about a bunch of medical students that kill each other one at a time to try and figure out if there’s life after death, so they kill each other, and they bring themselves back. It was like this cool premise. I always liked the movie. It honestly still stands up today. The guy who wrote it happened to be on one of my other projects, and we got to talking and came up with this idea to reboot the franchise. So, I just finished up a novel to reboot the Flatliners franchise. I literally just sent it to my film agent about an hour ago. So, the novel is going to come out first, probably a movie or tv show after that, so we’re kind of doing things backwards, but it’s a fresh take on the idea.
Emily: Wow! That’s amazing! I’ve heard wonderful things about the movie. I would love to check that out.
J.D.: It’s a fun movie if you get a chance to see it. I would watch it.
Emily: Oh, that I will do. I will put that right on my list. Where can people find you?
J.D.: The easiest place to find me at jdbarker.com. I’m on all of the social medias @jdbarker. And like we talked about, the latest book is called Something I Keep Upstairs just released May 13, and you can find that anywhere.
Emily: That’s wonderful. Well, thank you for coming on today. It was certainly a pleasure talking to you and picking your brain on how you conceived Something I Keep Upstairs
J.D.: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Emily: Yeah, you’re very welcome.
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